While I hate people threatening people online...or telling them to kill themselves for that matter...I cannot support this drastic action.
Right at this moment people are raging against YouTube for censorship.
And here you are punishing someone for a violent outburst when you had no clear guidelines or rules... Even though it's kinda well known that such behavior isn't really acceptable, no one knew this was going to happen. You only released these guidelines after you punished someone...and publicly shamed them afterwards.
You still don't really have any guidelines released on
who's going to be judge, jury, and executioner. And you have no guidelines on how one appeals the decision, or when it lets up, if ever.
You are doing the exact same thing people are freaking out about YouTube and Twitter and Facebook doing.
Flagged 100%. And I hope more follow my example.
That's like going into a restaurant screaming and yelling at people, yelling obscenities , threatening to kill people, then when you get kicked out and arrested saying, "I didn't see a sign saying I COULDN'T do those things!"
People put in their valuable time, and a lot of us put in our money to invest in this place and make it awesome. I could give a shit about protecting someone's right to make death threats.
The blockchain was created so that everyone has the right to access, but when someone builds something on the blockchain, they have the right to protect what they've built. This is the lesson Steemit Inc. needs to learn.
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If people are making death threats on youtube and these other places you are speaking of I hope they are getting pulled down. That isn't what is happening on the internet right now. People are getting de-platformed which is totally different then a online threat. You are equating two different things.
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Ok, so maybe they should have been put up first. There is no re-course for online threats. There shouldn't be.
Twitter & Youtube have policies on doxxing and death threats. This isn't anything new. No reason PAL shouldn't have the same system in place. These are just common sense things.
Twitter & Youtube big mistakes are de-platforming people based on believes, politically , or whatever it might be . That is way different . In other words, they aren't the same thing. One is well known to be policed, the other isn't right and is totally wrong to do people.
There shouldn't be any recourse for threats or violence. Is that what your saying?
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That's an opinion...that may or may not be true. YouTube has been demonetizing for a long time based on unclear rules. People don't know why they got demonetized, and don't know what to do once they are. They can click a little button to have it reviewed...and sometimes it gets reversed...then demonetized again in some cases. Basically no one knows why. They don't know the rules.
The rules were also recently changed...and suddenly people saw their videos deleted, demonetized, and in some cases, their accounts banned. They were punished for rules that didn't exist when they broke them.
I don't oppose online communities making rules...but I do have a problem with blunders in the enforcement of them.
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Dear @geekpowered
It's very hard to argue with you. This surely is raising some red flags, because it simply shows their mindset.
Yours
Piotr
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Dear @geekpowered
That's very true. However Steemit and all other front-ends build on STEEM blockchain share similar issue - those platforms are not censorship free. As a matter of fact, it's even easier to censor anyone here (all you need to do is to have account with huge STAKE).
Ok, you're very right here. It surely could be played out better.
Personally I'm not sure if censorship is wrong or good thing. Part of me believes that us (humans) didn't grow up to enjoy "freedom" and live in censor-free world. Steemit proved over and over how bad it can be if people have some power.
Yours
Piotr
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Have some SHIT.
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Preface: I'm not a PAL team member.
I think you are looking at the censorship issue from the wrong lens. The muted user can still do whatever he or she likes on STEEM because STEEM is uncensorable. Once data is in the block, that's it.
But it's up to the condenser to choose what to display.
On top of that, PALnet is the creation of the PAL organization according to whatever whims or rules they want to follow. The PAL coins are ours to do with whatever we want. And the value of those coins are dependent on PALnet being a place people want to engage in.
You don't need a rule saying threatening people is not OK. There are several centuries of law from all over the world showing that to be as near a universal value as humans hold.
You do need a rule saying doxxing is not allowed because that is less universal.
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The same argument applies to Twitter and Facebook and others. Because they're private corporations, they can kinda do whatever they want in regard to censorship. Well, at least the laws are more lax. What holds them from doing whatever they like is the people. PAL can technically do this if they want...but I can also speak out against what they're doing and flag them for doing it with the little stake that I have.
They need to have clear guidelines in place before enforcement. That's how laws work.
They also need clear guidelines on what the enforcement will be for breaking what laws.
And I would prefer if they had a way for people to influence those guidelines.
They also need clear ways for people to appeal decisions.
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The case with twitter and facebook gets fuzzy because they are enjoying legal protections as platforms but then acting like publishers. Putting that bit aside, yes, they can do what they want with their platforms and the market will respond.
Just like you are responding to PAL. You can dump your coins and not use palnet. That will create a market signal.
And sure, it's understandable that you want clear guidelines in place, which is what they are doing with this post. I'm just saying in this particular case I think the mod team made the right decision.
I think having an appeals process is a good idea.
One thing that stuck with me from Joe Rogan's podcast with Jack Dorsey was the idea of kicking a ban decision over to a large set of random users (qualified in some way) to make a distributed decision. I think that's a great model if a super-majority was needed to initiate a mute or a ban and work that into an appeals process as well.
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I think that jury of users would be one way to go...though how many and how it would be put forth would be a huge influence. I think random users might actually be more strict than those in power in many cases though.
I'm not as radical as many on here. I am not necessarily against a platform having it's own rules. I don't like them just coming out of nowhere with them. No one knew this was going to happen. This sets a dangerous precedent. What rules will they have in the future? Will they give a warning then? Or will it be another case of just deciding that someone went too far? It worries me.
I don't know if I should dump my PAL. I don't know if I should start removing my "stake". I think by the time I do know it might be too late.
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