RE: Libertarianism can and does work

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Libertarianism can and does work

in liberty •  8 years ago 

Nice post. This is pretty close to the line I take when discussing libertarianism with skeptics, and it's one of the reasons we try to include optimistic articles about the state of the world over at Libertarianism.org. But it also risks being something of a straw man.

In a sense, it's similar to arguing that all you need to justify political libertarianism is the Non-Aggression Principle. There's an undefined term that's hiding much of the argument. For the NAP, it's what counts as aggression and as property. It's not that, say, a progressive who would reject strong property rights libertarianism thinks that it's okay to aggress against people or to take their property, it's that the progressive doesn't think taxation or regulation count as aggression.

So with your argument, "works" is doing a lot of, well, work here. What you're arguing above is that libertarianism as a political system defined by free markets and minimal or no government intervention and taxation "works" because in our daily lives treating each other with respect, not using violence, and refraining from stealing are the preferred behavior. Given that political libertarianism, then, is just taking those preferences to their logical conclusion, we in fact have considerable evidence that libertarianism works.

The counter is that libertarianism as a theory of government contains a good deal more than simply saying we should all respect each other's property, and that we don't have (as much) evidence for those parts of it. So your interlocutor isn't saying, "Libertarianism lacking evidence of its working because I think it's just fine to steal from people or punch them for no reason." He's saying, "Libertarianism lacks evidence of its working because, in order to have a peaceful and functioning society where we can engage in respectful, non-violent exchanges, we need a powerful government setting up rules, protecting our rights, enforcing agreements and laws, providing welfare so people aren't desperate, and taxing us in order to pay the costs of doing all that." That we all agree not to hit or steal from each other doesn't itself say much in response to that latter line of argument.

Which is all just a too long way of saying that, while it's important to point out that all of us to some extent internalize libertarianism principles, it's not quite enough to prove that, just because we live by those principles in our personal interactions, we'd benefit from those same principles applied at the state level if it means ultimately drastically shrinking or abolishing the state and its many programs.

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He's saying, "Libertarianism lacks evidence of its working because, in order to have a peaceful and functioning society where we can engage in respectful, non-violent exchanges, we need a powerful government setting up rules, protecting our rights, enforcing agreements and laws, providing welfare so people aren't desperate, and taxing us in order to pay the costs of doing all that."

Yeah, he's saying that. And it's exactly as ridiculous as saying we need unicorns to make our crops grow. There's zero evidence for his claims, and plenty of evidence against them, including the fact that I don't need government "help".

Government is the opposite of peaceful society. It is a sign your society has failed and isn't functional. Its every "exchange" is aggressive. It is disrespectful. Government never protects rights, but exists by violating them. Etc.

Saying government is "necessary" is an extraordinary claim; it would require extraordinary evidence. It doesn't matter how many people believe it, or how long gullible people the world over have believed it. It is absurd.

If you're goal is to be an advocate for liberty, I'd suggest that this isn't the best way to respond to such arguments. You're trying to convince people, not berate them.

People who claim the necessity of government do have substantial work behind that claim. You might end up rejecting their arguments and evidence--as I ultimately do--but what they have to say isn't nonsense on its face, and these aren't gullible people.

I'm not saying you're wrong, in the end, but the people who disagree with you aren't stupid, they aren't dupes, and wrestling with and taking seriously what they say, in the best versions of it, is demanding, but it's also the only way we libertarians stand a chance of moving the world in our direction.

I consider all sides of an issue, but I'm not going to wake up every morning scared that maybe gravity isn't working today. I'm also not going to wake up and decide that maybe today, theft and aggression are suddenly OK. Statism is stupid and evil. Period.
Now, some places and some times, I will coddle statists more than other times and places. This is neither the time nor the place for it. I'm sick of them justifying theft and aggression because they are too evil/stupid/cowardly to give it up and be civilized. It probably hurts their feelings, but sometimes people need to have their feelings hurt for advocating evil. Some people will wake up no other way, and others won't give it up no matter how nice you are to them.